Comments on: We’re not trained to see http://chriserdman.com/contemplation-and-meditation/were-not-trained-to-see/ awakening the spiritual life Fri, 18 May 2012 00:55:25 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Peggy http://chriserdman.com/contemplation-and-meditation/were-not-trained-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-14114 Peggy Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:19:06 +0000 http://chriserdman.com/?p=1980#comment-14114 Thanks so much, Chris!! Thanks so much, Chris!!

]]> By: chris erdman http://chriserdman.com/contemplation-and-meditation/were-not-trained-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-14104 chris erdman Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:12:15 +0000 http://chriserdman.com/?p=1980#comment-14104 Peggy, thanks for the link. I'll check out the FB link and wait for news of your site. I'll also pass along to readers. Peggy, thanks for the link. I’ll check out the FB link and wait for news of your site. I’ll also pass along to readers.

]]> By: Peggy http://chriserdman.com/contemplation-and-meditation/were-not-trained-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-14101 Peggy Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:51:56 +0000 http://chriserdman.com/?p=1980#comment-14101 Hi Chris, I am trying to get the ecumenicus.org up and running and it is taking considerably longer than I intended. I hope to publish it before the end of August. In the mean time, I have been putting ideas of interest on an ECUMENICUS facebook page. ECUMENCUS on FB is public and a good resource for current and contemplative thought. THanks for asking!! Check it out! Hi Chris, I am trying to get the ecumenicus.org up and running and it is taking considerably longer than I intended. I hope to publish it before the end of August. In the mean time, I have been putting ideas of interest on an ECUMENICUS facebook page. ECUMENCUS on FB is public and a good resource for current and contemplative thought. THanks for asking!! Check it out!

]]> By: chris erdman http://chriserdman.com/contemplation-and-meditation/were-not-trained-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-14099 chris erdman Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:45:46 +0000 http://chriserdman.com/?p=1980#comment-14099 Pat, faith, it seems to me, is a different kind of knowing. Too long our understanding of faith in the Modern West is something like mental assent to doctrine. Faith is a deep knowing. In the Bible knowledge of God is more like the knowledge of each other shared by two lovers. It is intimate. Beyond words or ideas. Yes, felt. But also more than felt. The joining of mind and heart, thought and emotion in a union of spiritual intercourse that is beyond what we can describe. This is why stillness and silence are such important modes of deeper or higher prayer. I've written more about silence here: http://chriserdman.com/all-blog-entries/resting-in-prayer-the-spirituality-of-darkness/ Also in the series of Christmas meditations available as a download: http://chriserdman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Journey-of-the-Magi-e-book.pdf Pat, faith, it seems to me, is a different kind of knowing.

Too long our understanding of faith in the Modern West is something like mental assent to doctrine. Faith is a deep knowing.

In the Bible knowledge of God is more like the knowledge of each other shared by two lovers. It is intimate. Beyond words or ideas. Yes, felt. But also more than felt. The joining of mind and heart, thought and emotion in a union of spiritual intercourse that is beyond what we can describe.

This is why stillness and silence are such important modes of deeper or higher prayer.

I’ve written more about silence here: http://chriserdman.com/all-blog-entries/resting-in-prayer-the-spirituality-of-darkness/

Also in the series of Christmas meditations available as a download: http://chriserdman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Journey-of-the-Magi-e-book.pdf

]]> By: chris erdman http://chriserdman.com/contemplation-and-meditation/were-not-trained-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-14098 chris erdman Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:39:08 +0000 http://chriserdman.com/?p=1980#comment-14098 Thank you, Peggy. Yes, yes. And are you launching a new website? ecuminus.com? Thank you, Peggy. Yes, yes. And are you launching a new website? ecuminus.com?

]]> By: Peggy http://chriserdman.com/contemplation-and-meditation/were-not-trained-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-14093 Peggy Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:48:17 +0000 http://chriserdman.com/?p=1980#comment-14093 This is a great topic and I do love your posts! We simply must change the precept that God is outside of us and that God's presence is something we must obtain rather than something eternally present with us. The illusion of separation sets us up for all suffering we experience. So the very first order of business of those who understand this is to change the default perspective of those who have forgotten it. WE come to form with all knowing and fully equipped to love and live. Thanks, Chris, for your gift of words and wisdom. This is a great topic and I do love your posts! We simply must change the precept that God is outside of us and that God’s presence is something we must obtain rather than something eternally present with us. The illusion of separation sets us up for all suffering we experience. So the very first order of business of those who understand this is to change the default perspective of those who have forgotten it. WE come to form with all knowing and fully equipped to love and live. Thanks, Chris, for your gift of words and wisdom.

]]> By: Pat http://chriserdman.com/contemplation-and-meditation/were-not-trained-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-14090 Pat Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:54:08 +0000 http://chriserdman.com/?p=1980#comment-14090 Chris - do you think we can have a felt-knowledge of God's love deep within us or is it only by faith and seeing his glory around us that we are to have the knowledge? Thanks for taking the time to reply. Pat Chris – do you think we can have a felt-knowledge of God’s love deep within us or is it only by faith and seeing his glory around us that we are to have the knowledge? Thanks for taking the time to reply. Pat

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